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I was wondering if you purchased a Muffler.....say like a Voodoo muffler if you would have to have the ECU reflashed or does a reflash require more than just a muffler modification? Say like a Muffler and Air Intake Mod? And would the Reflash void the Warrenty?
I bought my bike last week and am going to pick it up this weekend. Was wondering if I made Modifications to the Exhaust/Intake and had the ECU reflased if it would void my warrenty. I purchased an extra 3yr warrenty on top of Manufacturing warrenty which gave me a 5yr warrenty.
 

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So from What I have gathered......Sounds like Ivan's Performance is the way to go. So if a body purchased an Afyer Market Slipon like Vance&Hines and sent your ECU to Ivan........would the flash be set for other mods you purchased in the future?
Say like an Air Intake mod?
And would you have to get a Powercommander5 if you got Ivan's reflash?
From what I understand.....the Powercommader5 is basically what Ivans reflash is somewhat......only exceptions is...Ivans flash has and does more than a powercommnader5.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm really digging this SCR now and this forum.
 

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So from What I have gathered......Sounds like Ivan's Performance is the way to go. So if a body purchased an Afyer Market Slipon like Vance&Hines and sent your ECU to Ivan........would the flash be set for other mods you purchased in the future?
Say like an Air Intake mod?
And would you have to get a Powercommander5 if you got Ivan's reflash?
From what I understand.....the Powercommader5 is basically what Ivans reflash is somewhat......only exceptions is...Ivans flash has and does more than a powercommnader5.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm really digging this SCR now and this forum.
Call ivan,
when you send him the ecu you will fill out a sheet on what mods you have . power commander not necessary unless he says so.
 

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You don’t have to mention your ecu flash. If they find out then it can be flash back to stock settings

All my road bikes have had their ecu flashed and the dealers never mentioned anything
 

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And the ecu flash is way superior compared to a power commander. In addition to all the benefits you don’t have to hook up extra electronics that can potentially fail. And I’ve had a power commander failed on me before
 

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I don't want to disable the already anaemic engine braking, my GS500 engine braking is awesome, this is like a 2 stroke in comparison. I wonder if Ivans flash can accomplish that. Does anyone know.
 

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You don’t have to mention your ecu flash. If they find out then it can be flash back to stock settings

All my road bikes have had their ecu flashed and the dealers never mentioned anything
Are you saying.....Dont mention the reflash to the Dealership? I wouldn't anyways. Why? Would they set it back to stock just for spite....lol. I wouldn't put it past them.
I plan on doing my own oil changes, unless I have to let them do it because of warrenty. I didnt really ask them if I had to bring it to them to get pills changed. Guess I will ask them about that when I go get it this weekend.
I also need to ask em what exactly the warrenty covers that I purchased for 5yrs.
 

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So from What I have gathered......Sounds like Ivan's Performance is the way to go. So if a body purchased an Afyer Market Slipon like Vance&Hines and sent your ECU to Ivan........would the flash be set for other mods you purchased in the future?
Say like an Air Intake mod?
And would you have to get a Powercommander5 if you got Ivan's reflash?
From what I understand.....the Powercommader5 is basically what Ivans reflash is somewhat......only exceptions is...Ivans flash has and does more than a powercommnader5.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm really digging this SCR now and this forum.
Call ivan,
when you send him the ecu you will fill out a sheet on what mods you have . power commander not necessary unless he says so.
I will give him a call when he is back at work. Seen on his website that they will be put of office until like Sept 4th
But I'm definitely getting his flash and may purchase my Vance and Hines off of him also and him ship it to me.
Sounds like a really Great guy and very knowledgeable.
 

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From what I’ve seen, the dealer wouldn’t have the first clue about reflashing your ECU back to stock, so I don’t think you have to worry about that. And no, you don’t have to mention it, but Ivan (and his European compadre in Greece) put a massive f*ck-off “reflash” sticker on the ECU, with a code (presumably for their records, if you ever send it back etc), so the dealer only has to want to get to the battery, for example (lest we forget - the ECU sits directly on top of the battery), and they’ll see it. Some may care, some may not - ECU reflashing is not exactly a new thing anymore.
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I don't want to disable the already anaemic engine braking, my GS500 engine braking is awesome, this is like a 2 stroke in comparison. I wonder if Ivans flash can accomplish that. Does anyone know.
The reflash reduces engine braking as Ivan has designed it so the fuel cut-off immediately after you throttle off (for emissions purposes) is greatly reduced - it’s more a gradual reduction in fuel being fed to the chambers, as opposed to an instant cut - which gives the illusion of reduced engine braking. Don’t know if this is something he could easily customise - maybe if you bought a fueller from him as well? He would probably suggest the engine is fuelling properly at this point though, and not beholden to the emissions bods (who have no concern whatsoever re your quality of ride).
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Backfiring

The reflash reduces engine braking as Ivan has designed it so the fuel cut-off immediately after you throttle off (for emissions purposes) is greatly reduced - it’s more a gradual reduction in fuel being fed to the chambers, as opposed to an instant cut - which gives the illusion of reduced engine braking. Don’t know if this is something he could easily customise - maybe if you bought a fueller from him as well? He would probably suggest the engine is fuelling properly at this point though, and not beholden to the emissions bods (who have no concern whatsoever re your quality of ride).
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I think he did that to psychologically help people with backfiring on shut throttle.

Backfiring on shut throttle isn't a real problem that indicates anything. I've tuned bikes with O2 sensors in the exhaust and read the ratio with a multimeter velcroed to the tank and I am fine with the machine gun noises upon shutting the throttle.

The lack of engine braking combined with the weird and abrupt on/off throttle response is just about the worst thing left on my bike (after the seat, hoop etc etc all got swapped out for bolt seat and fender).
 

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From what I’ve seen, the dealer wouldn’t have the first clue about reflashing your ECU back to stock, so I don’t think you have to worry about that. And no, you don’t have to mention it, but Ivan (and his European compadre in Greece) put a massive f*ck-off “reflash” sticker on the ECU, with a code (presumably for their records, if you ever send it back etc), so the dealer only has to want to get to the battery, for example (lest we forget - the ECU sits directly on top of the battery), and they’ll see it. Some may care, some may not - ECU reflashing is not exactly a new thing anymore.
Ben
Very good points you have. I wont be taking the bike to the dealership anyways unless for warrenty work or service intervals. And the service intervals would be like adjusting the valves or stuff like that.....Not for oil change and things.
 

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I was wondering if you purchased a Muffler.....say like a Voodoo muffler if you would have to have the ECU reflashed or does a reflash require more than just a muffler modification? Say like a Muffler and Air Intake Mod? And would the Reflash void the Warrenty?
I bought my bike last week and am going to pick it up this weekend. Was wondering if I made Modifications to the Exhaust/Intake and had the ECU reflased if it would void my warrenty. I purchased an extra 3yr warrenty on top of Manufacturing warrenty which gave me a 5yr warrenty.
don't know how much you paid for the warranty or why you would extend it. "Just in case" doesn't work for me because i am a retired mechanic, and don't put that many miles on my bikes.
purchased a 2010 R1 new and got the extended warranty. waste of money. the bike never had one issue in eight years. that being said quess it boils down how much piece of mind is worth to you !!!
Yamaha makes a good motorcycle, don't see that many failures. If it was a harley then by all means i would get the warranty. if you are worried about voiding the warranty just put the stock stuff back on before you bring the bike in for repair. if that dosen't work it is always good to ask the service advisor who will be working on your bike and slip him a twenty before they start work.
 

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I think he did that to psychologically help people with backfiring on shut throttle.
I think I need psychological help with my backfiring......

Anyways.....this may be a positive side effect of the reflash (for some), but I don’t think it was his primary aim. Does the stock bike even backfire that much? I can’t remember too many. As I said, I’m pretty sure his aim was to have the bike fuelling/behaving as it should at all throttle openings.

If you think the bike doesn’t have enough engine braking now, the reflash really isn’t going to help you. Conversely, the on/off throttle you mention would be greatly improved!
Ben
 
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