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So……I’ve noticed recently the front forks are starting to ‘patter’ a little, even over relatively slight road imperfections. On really poor surfaces, I’m getting properly shaken around!!

I don’t think it’s the dreaded steering head bearing issue, but it has got me thinking about the front forks, and the fact I’ve never done anything with them. Isn’t fork oil supposed to be changed every two years? Has anyone ever done this with their SCR……?!:rolleyes: My bike is coming up to 5-years-old (as they all are, I guess!!!:ROFLMAO:), so it could easily be said that it was about time…..

At the same time, I’ve been watching some Royal Enfield videos on YouTube, by a guy called Stuart Fillingham (don’t worry - I’m not getting one……). I watch them as they are generally good quality, interesting videos; he doesn’t live far from me (so I often recognise his routes); and he is amusingly bolshy.

Anyway, I recently watched a video of his where he installed a ‘YSS Fork Upgrade Kit’


It makes for interesting viewing, and he seems to be very pleased with the results. People installing them on other bikes seem impressed too.

Naturally, I assumed there wouldn’t be a kit for the SCR (aka “The Great Forgotten Motorcycle” TM), and nearly fell out my chair when I saw that there was!!:

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From what I understand, the ‘valves’ (above, in black), go in the forks before the replacement (and progressive!) springs, and sit on the damper rod. They then better regulate oil flow and, in a way, ‘emulate’ cartridge forks. You also get fancy new, adjustable fork caps (silver, above), which will look very trick!

I’m a little concerned whether these new fancy caps will fit without fouling the underside of the bars, but fortunately theres a YSS dealer not 15 miles from me, so I toddled over there yesterday, and spoke to a lovely guy (shout out to Brook Suspension!! You are being redirected... ) - they didn’t have an SCR kit in stock, predictably, but he opened up an Enfield kit for me, and we offered the caps up to the bike, and came to the conclusion they might jjuusssstttt fit. Of course, if not, I could just get some slightly offset risers, so it’s not the end of the world anyway.

Incidentally, when the guy came out to the bike, and said how much he liked it( :)), as well as the usual “I’ve never seen one in the metal before”, he also told me he had had another query from an SCR owner last week, but about someYSS rear shocks this time……anyone on here, I wonder??? They do look nice…..

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So, I think I might go for the fork kit, and add it to the project list over winter (along with the seat). Of course, updates will be provided in due course, but if it doesn’t feel like Ducati semi-active Skyhook suspension afterwards, I will be very disappointed!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Comments, of course, are very welcome (and expected!!)

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So……I’ve noticed recently the front forks are starting to ‘patter’ a little, even over relatively slight road imperfections. On really poor surfaces, I’m getting properly shaken around!!

I don’t think it’s the dreaded steering head bearing issue, but it has got me thinking about the front forks, and the fact I’ve never done anything with them. Isn’t fork oil supposed to be changed every two years? Has anyone ever done this with their SCR……?!:rolleyes: My bike is coming up to 5-years-old (as they all are, I guess!!!:ROFLMAO:), so it could easily be said that it was about time…..

At the same time, I’ve been watching some Royal Enfield videos on YouTube, by a guy called Stuart Fillingham (don’t worry - I’m not getting one……). I watch them as they are generally good quality, interesting videos; he doesn’t live far from me (so I often recognise his routes); and he is amusingly bolshy.

Anyway, I recently watched a video of his where he installed a ‘YSS Fork Upgrade Kit’


It makes for interesting viewing, and he seems to be very pleased with the results. People installing them on other bikes seem impressed too.

Naturally, I assumed there wouldn’t be a kit for the SCR (aka “The Great Forgotten Motorcycle” TM), and nearly fell out my chair when I saw that there was!!:

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£260 of your finest English Pounds:

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From what I understand, the ‘valves’ (above, in black), go in the forks before the replacement (and progressive!) springs, and sit on the damper rod. They then better regulate oil flow and, in a way, ‘emulate’ cartridge forks. You also get fancy new, adjustable fork caps (silver, above), which will look very trick!

I’m a little concerned whether these new fancy caps will fit without fouling the underside of the bars, but fortunately theres a YSS dealer not 15 miles from me, so I toddled over there yesterday, and spoke to a lovely guy (shout out to Brook Suspension!! You are being redirected... ) - they didn’t have an SCR kit in stock, predictably, but he opened up an Enfield kit for me, and we offered the caps up to the bike, and came to the conclusion they might jjuusssstttt fit. Of course, if not, I could just get some slightly offset risers, so it’s not the end of the world anyway.

Incidentally, when the guy came out to the bike, and said how much he liked it( :)), as well as the usual “I’ve never seen one in the metal before”, he also told me he had had another query from an SCR owner last week, but about someYSS rear shocks this time……anyone on here, I wonder??? They do look nice…..

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So, I think I might go for the fork kit, and add it to the project list over winter (along with the seat). Of course, updates will be provided in due course, but if it doesn’t feel like Ducati semi-active Skyhook suspension afterwards, I will be very disappointed!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Comments, of course, are very welcome (and expected!!)

Ben
Do It Ben. Be the first. I installed progressive springs on my 95 Virago XV1100 and was completely surprised by how much it improved the ride. So I might add it to my list one day for the SCR. But then I still have the stock exhaust....:geek:
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Do It Ben. Be the first. I installed progressive springs on my 95 Virago XV1100 and was completely surprised by how much it improved the ride. So I might add it to my list one day for the SCR. But then I still have the stock exhaust....:geek:
Yo, Ben , the test bed flagship!
You dont need the caps just get the springs and emulators (valves), put a cut to length spacer on top of the spring to adjust the preload.
I've put race tech emulators and progressive springs in a KLR, they were a massive improvement from stock, im sure the SCR will be the same with the yss stuff. I put ricor imtiminators in my dr with shortened stock fork springs, again a massive upgrade from stock both are very similar to the yss valves.

Im going to put 15 wt oil in my forks this winter and raise the oil height by about an inch to stiffen them up, mine are super soft. This wont be near as good as the yss kit but will make them quite a bit stiffer, I dont want to spend a bunch of money modding the SCR.
You dont need the caps just get the springs and emulators (valves), put a cut to length spacer on top of the spring to adjust the preload…..
Yeah, I considered foregoing the adjustable caps, that’s another option……but the replacement caps look very trick!! :cool: We’ll see…..the YSS kit comes with its own spacers too, so would try them first, too.

Ben
Unless they're dirt cheap im not a fan of preload adjustable fork caps, you only adjust them once when you install them.
The fork spring needs 5-10mm of preload if its the right spring rate. Some bikes come with preload adjusters on the forks now so you can get away with running the wrong springs for your weight but if your getting custom springs you wont need to adjust them.
Finally got ‘em @Schu, only a year late. Picked them up today.

Nice looking bit of kit, from what I can see….although I have nothing to compare it to! :ROFLMAO:

Bit of a project for the New Year nonetheless, along with new tyres (the rear is properly squared off).

Cheers,

Ben

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Finally got ‘em @Schu, only a year late. Picked them up today.

Nice looking bit of kit, from what I can see….although I have nothing to compare it to! :ROFLMAO:

Bit of a project for the New Year nonetheless, along with new tyres (the rear is properly squared off).

Cheers,

Ben

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Can't wait to see how they turn out!
Finally got ‘em @Schu, only a year late. Picked them up today.

Nice looking bit of kit, from what I can see….although I have nothing to compare it to! :ROFLMAO:

Bit of a project for the New Year nonetheless, along with new tyres (the rear is properly squared off).

Cheers,

Ben

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We are all anxious to hear your reviews on that kit.
All six of us!
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We are all anxious to hear your reviews on that kit.
All six of us!
Actually, all of us is seven unless I miscounted somewhere in the middle, lol.
Actually, all of us is seven unless I miscounted somewhere in the middle, lol.
I was hoping we could muster seven of us, to be honest….. :ROFLMAO:

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Although I’m not actually changing the springs out etc until next year, I couldn’t resist seeing if the adjustable caps would fit, given how close the bars are…….

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It’s close……the preload here is dialled in halfway (5 turns). When dialled all the way out (ie. no preload), they foul the underside of the bars. There’s space to slacken them off a little though, so it’ll all depend on how it feels, when we go for a ride next year.

Caps look pretty trick though! Very nicely made :)

Ben
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Hi all,

Hope you are keeping well.

Finally dug the SCR out from her hibernation today, and took her for her first spin of the year (April is late for me - it’s normally mid-March at the most, but as @JRX has noted elsewhere, it’s not really stopped raining for the last month).

I can’t say I’ve noticed a massive difference with the forks at present - they maybe felt slightly more supple, but we’ll see - they’ll probably take some experimenting to be honest (they’re currently set mid-way), and they’ll also need to bed in, too.

What with new tyres, and new brake pads etc, I had a lot to contend with on the first ride!! (With not-yet-bedded-in new pads, the brakes are currently worse than ever!!o_O

Nice first ride though - some lovely bikes out today:

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New BSA!!:
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To be perfectly honest, the delayed-SCR first ride of the year may have something to do with a new arrival about a month ago :LOL::

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Quite unlike anything I’ve ever ridden before…..

Ben
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I was wondering about you, Ben.... haven't heard from you in quite awhile. Good to hear all is well, especially in regards to your bike(s)! Specifics, please, on the BMW. Jevers
Hi all,

Hope you are keeping well.

Finally dug the SCR out from her hibernation today, and took her for her first spin of the year (April is late for me - it’s normally mid-March at the most, but as @JRX has noted elsewhere, it’s not really stopped raining for the last month).

I can’t say I’ve noticed a massive difference with the forks at present - they maybe felt slightly more supple, but we’ll see - they’ll probably take some experimenting to be honest (they’re currently set mid-way), and they’ll also need to bed in, too.

What with new tyres, and new brake pads etc, I had a lot to contend with on the first ride!! (With not-yet-bedded-in new pads, the brakes are currently worse than ever!!o_O

Nice first ride though - some lovely bikes out today:

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New BSA!!:
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To be perfectly honest, the delayed-SCR first ride of the year may have something to do with a new arrival about a month ago :LOL::

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Quite unlike anything I’ve ever ridden before…..

Ben
I was wondering about you, Ben.... haven't heard from you in quite awhile. Good to hear all is well, especially in regards to your bike(s)! Specifics, please, on the BMW. Jevers
I was wondering about Ben too. But then I’ve always wondered about him. :unsure: That new bike has to be like going from one extreme to another. What are those things sticking out from the sides of the engine? Leg warmers? 🤓
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Hi all,

Hope you are keeping well.

Finally dug the SCR out from her hibernation today, and took her for her first spin of the year (April is late for me - it’s normally mid-March at the most, but as @JRX has noted elsewhere, it’s not really stopped raining for the last month).

I can’t say I’ve noticed a massive difference with the forks at present - they maybe felt slightly more supple, but we’ll see - they’ll probably take some experimenting to be honest (they’re currently set mid-way), and they’ll also need to bed in, too.

What with new tyres, and new brake pads etc, I had a lot to contend with on the first ride!! (With not-yet-bedded-in new pads, the brakes are currently worse than ever!!o_O

Nice first ride though - some lovely bikes out today:

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New BSA!!:
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To be perfectly honest, the delayed-SCR first ride of the year may have something to do with a new arrival about a month ago :LOL::

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Quite unlike anything I’ve ever ridden before…..

Ben
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Hi all,

Hope you are keeping well.

Finally dug the SCR out from her hibernation today, and took her for her first spin of the year (April is late for me - it’s normally mid-March at the most, but as @JRX has noted elsewhere, it’s not really stopped raining for the last month).

I can’t say I’ve noticed a massive difference with the forks at present - they maybe felt slightly more supple, but we’ll see - they’ll probably take some experimenting to be honest (they’re currently set mid-way), and they’ll also need to bed in, too.

What with new tyres, and new brake pads etc, I had a lot to contend with on the first ride!! (With not-yet-bedded-in new pads, the brakes are currently worse than ever!!o_O

Nice first ride though - some lovely bikes out today:

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New BSA!!:
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To be perfectly honest, the delayed-SCR first ride of the year may have something to do with a new arrival about a month ago :LOL::

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Quite unlike anything I’ve ever ridden before…..

Ben
Hi Ben , nice to see you out and about, wheres the venue? love the BMW , is that a R nine T Urban GS? Looks suprisingly like the SCR , except Boxer instead of V,
500 words on the differences please 🤣🤣🤣
I was wondering about you, Ben.... haven't heard from you in quite awhile. Good to hear all is well, especially in regards to your bike(s)! Specifics, please, on the BMW. Jevers

I was wondering about Ben too. But then I’ve always wondered about him. :unsure: That new bike has to be like going from one extreme to another. What are those things sticking out from the sides of the engine? Leg warmers? 🤓
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Hi Ben , nice to see you out and about, wheres the venue? love the BMW , is that a R nine T Urban GS? Looks suprisingly like the SCR , except Boxer instead of V,
500 words on the differences please 🤣🤣🤣
Photos taken at Squires in North Yorkshire, only about half an hour from me. If you fancy a (long) ride out one day, be sure to let me know!

I even got snapped going in!!

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Yes……I am very cool!! :LOL:

So……the Beemer……always liked em. Dad rode one for years with the police, and an old R90/6 is the only bike my step-dad ever had…..God, I loved that bike.

When the R Nine Ts came out, always liked them too, but they’ve always been pretty expensive. The Urban GS has always been my favourite iteration of it, too. Well, this one came up not 5 miles from me about a month ago. There was snow on the ground at the time, so the price was more acceptable. I also knew of it previously, as it was for sale last year about 30 miles away, and I toddled over to see it then, too (couldn’t afford it at that time though). The guy I bought it off is going touring this year, so wanted something more suitable (he’s bought a new Ducati Desert X).

@JRX - the review will have to wait, I’m afraid, as I’ve barely ridden it yet. One 60 mile jaunt, and that’s it, so far. It had Kenda Big Blocks on it when I first got it, and they were f*cking awful, so I was waiting a couple of weeks to change them out for TKC70s (now done).

One things’ for sure - you’ll never find an easier bike to take the wheels off! 6 bolts on the rear, and that’s it, and shaft drive, so no messin’ with chain/belt alignment etc. Build quality is very good too - the common image of BMWs appears to be true.

110bhp tho, and tonnes of torque (80-odd ftlb, from memory), so it can shift. And the sound is awesome - check this review out:


(this review was one which was quite influential re the purchase, TBH - good old Lemmy).

It literally sounds like a WW2 fighter - what an amazing sound (doesn’t really come thru on the video, but it sounds really good - certainly no need for an aftermarket can, as noted by Lemmy, whose tyre recommendation I also took).

Having said all of the above, the SCR was great when I took her out at the weekend, so it’s going to be interesting seeing what wins out this time……the SCR has seen off a Harley Evo, and the XSR700 last year, so can it make it 3-for-3….??:ROFLMAO:

Might take some time deciding this one though - common wisdom is that the Boxer engines take a couple of thousand miles to get a feel for, by which time you’ll either never ride anything else, or you’ll get rid of it as soon as you can by then! (@JRX - maybe you have a view on this?)

Going to be an interesting year(y)

Ben
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Very cool bike! Having owned a 2004 R1150GS, I can relate with your latest choice! Every time I visit the local BMW dealer, I find myself lusting after the latest models on the showroom floor. Heck, I even took an ADV model out for an extended test ride. I was sold.... mentally, just not financially. When I'm ready to put all my eggs in one basket, you will find a new GSADV in my garage! Enjoy and keep us updated with YOUR ride reports. Jevers
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Photos taken at Squires in North Yorkshire, only about half an hour from me. If you fancy a (long) ride out one day, be sure to let me know!

I even got snapped going in!!

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Yes……I am very cool!! :LOL:

So……the Beemer……always liked em. Dad rode one for years with the police, and an old R90/6 is the only bike my step-dad ever had…..God, I loved that bike.

When the R Nine Ts came out, always liked them too, but they’ve always been pretty expensive. The Urban GS has always been my favourite iteration of it, too. Well, this one came up not 5 miles from me about a month ago. There was snow on the ground at the time, so the price was more acceptable. I also knew of it previously, as it was for sale last year about 30 miles away, and I toddled over to see it then, too (couldn’t afford it at that time though). The guy I bought it off is going touring this year, so wanted something more suitable (he’s bought a new Ducati Desert X).

@JRX - the review will have to wait, I’m afraid, as I’ve barely ridden it yet. One 60 mile jaunt, and that’s it, so far. It had Kenda Big Blocks on it when I first got it, and they were f*cking awful, so I was waiting a couple of weeks to change them out for TKC70s (now done).

One things’ for sure - you’ll never find an easier bike to take the wheels off! 6 bolts on the rear, and that’s it, and shaft drive, so no messin’ with chain/belt alignment etc. Build quality is very good too - the common image of BMWs appears to be true.

110bhp tho, and tonnes of torque (80-odd ftlb, from memory), so it can shift. And the sound is awesome - check this review out:


(this review was one which was quite influential re the purchase, TBH - good old Lemmy).

It literally sounds like a WW2 fighter - what an amazing sound (doesn’t really come thru on the video, but it sounds really good - certainly no need for an aftermarket can, as noted by Lemmy, whose tyre recommendation I also took).

Having said all of the above, the SCR was great when I took her out at the weekend, so it’s going to be interesting seeing what wins out this time……the SCR has seen off a Harley Evo, and the XSR700 last year, so can it make it 3-for-3….??:ROFLMAO:

Might take some time deciding this one though - common wisdom is that the Boxer engines take a couple of thousand miles to get a feel for, by which time you’ll either never ride anything else, or you’ll get rid of it as soon as you can by then! (@JRX - maybe you have a view on this?)

Going to be an interesting year(y)

Ben
Well, my BMW is 22 years old , so I am not sure how relevant my thoughts are, however the main difference I notice is that while the SCR may kill my bum after a 120 miles , the BMW
kills my hands and wrists, due to all the gear changing and diabolical indicator system!
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Well, my BMW is 22 years old , so I am not sure how relevant my thoughts are, however the main difference I notice is that while the SCR may kill my bum after a 120 miles , the BMW
kills my hands and wrists, due to all the gear changing and diabolical indicator system!
Lol - indicators are the usual set up on this one, so no issues there.

Re comfort - I definitely noticed more leg room when I got back on the SCR at the weekend, than when I’d ridden the BMW, so we’ll have to see about that. Lower pegs are available……🤦‍♂️

Whats the issue with the gear changing? Heavy clutch, or the fact you need to change so much? Gear change on the R Nine T is lovely, and there’s so much torque, you could easily get lazy, and leave it in one gear most of the time! :ROFLMAO:

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